When Bootcamp Becomes A Place To Brave Life Together - Donna Houlihan
Kyle Wood: Hello, and welcome
back to Everything Bootcamp.
Today's guest.
Very excited.
She was able to, during the pandemic
take her bootcamp and turn it into a
place where people could connect and
feel supported and support each other
through, you know, as we know what
was a very difficult period of time.
So I wanted to have her on the show
to hear about how she did this.
What was her approach?
And, yeah, without further
ado, I'll jump into the episode.
Hello, and welcome to Everything
Bootcamp today's guest.
So we're just talking about, she's
been following Bootcamp Ideas for 10
years, which is how old the site is.
So that's very cool.
And her name is Donna Houlihan.
She runs Hudson valley boot camp in
orange county, New York, which is in
the She's been running her boot camp for
nearly 11 years and has been a trainer
in the fitness industry for 27 years.
She offers indoor and outdoor bootcamps
plus spinning classes, plus a run group
for a total of 10 classes per week.
Welcome Donna.
Donna Houlihan: Thank you for having me.
Happy to be here.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, that's awesome.
So, firstly, I just want to say thank
you so much for being such a wonderful
member of my various communities,
Facebook groups, you know, back when I
was just email and commenting on the blog.
And and now like with
BootCraft, like thank you.
I need to give you a little bonus.
Donna Houlihan: Thank you.
It's been, it's gotten me through a
lot of difficult times through the.
Yeah, my business
though, I've come to BCI.
Even now I go to the Facebook
group, even though it's archived,
sometimes I'll go there.
It was a workout in there.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
I actually refer to it too.
So the question I'm starting
off the podcast episodes with.
So we'd like you to cast your mind back
and tell me about the first fitness
class you attended as a participant.
Donna Houlihan: First one, I attended.
Okay, well, I'm old, I'm 55 and one
of my real first organized fitness
classes was in my sister-in-law
got me to join this women's gym
and it was high impact aerobics.
And I got shin splints.
That was my very first.
And then from there.
It wasn't long after that, actually
that I got certified as a trainer.
I was probably 23 when I took
my first actual fitness class.
And then I think I got certified,
you know, it's 28 or something.
I'm not exactly sure.
Kyle Wood: Okay.
And were you doing, was it like, was
group fitness, the thing that you wanted
to do as a trainer, or were you more
interested in like PT or athletics or
Donna Houlihan: Well, to, to be a hundred
percent honest, I had had my first child.
I have four boys now, my first is
now 20 going to be 28 years old,
but I had my first shop and I
wanted to do, and I had joined the.
It's a funny story.
I joined the gym and my membership was
up and I'm going to pay the membership.
And I wanted to be able to do something
where I could bring my child with me.
Cause I was always looking at
the, some of the instructors would
bring their children with them.
I'm like, that's so cool.
You could do that.
And I could be doing fitness.
So on my son's right around his first
year birthday, I got certified in
Washington, DCS, a group fitness.
And that's how it will happen.
So then I stopped working and started
bringing all my kids to the gym.
So it started out as group
fitness and then eventually
did some personal training.
And then I took over the business, my
business almost 11 years ago for bootcamp.
Kyle Wood: I love that.
Yeah.
I love that.
Waking Fitnesses, such a.
Family friendly thing and you getting
to be role models for your kids too,
you know, they grow up with just
with the fact that you exercise,
just being a normal part of life.
Donna Houlihan: Yeah.
100%.
And they know how important it is.
You know, I do race, my boys are
older now, so doing, just doing races
with them and being able to, to keep
up and join them in all of that,
or them joined me, I should say.
It's great.
So, um, yeah.
Physical fitness.
Most important thing to me, really
keeping fit and healthy and strong
and being able to keep up with
everybody and staying healthy.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Let's talk a bit about your business.
So.
Well actually no before
we jumped into that.
So w w cause it segues better from
what we were just talking about.
So back in those days, and now it's been,
you know, 25 plus years since then, which,
by the way, that's a quarter century.
That's amazing.
What a career.
Donna Houlihan: Yeah.
Sometimes, you know, in the, in the
fitness industry, sometimes like out
in the different fields and Facebook
and everything be like, oh, I'm been
doing it as longer than I've been alive.
Yeah, I know this is
something to be proud of.
I'm still here doing it
and it's been my life.
So it's been great.
Anyway.
Sorry.
Kyle Wood: Have you seen it
change or evolve like the
fitness industry in that time?
Donna Houlihan: Well, you know,
obviously high impact aerobics.
We did all of that, which eventually
turned, moved into like sports conditions.
And, you know, I think group fitness
will let's say pre COVID was still
pretty, pretty, um, like power, like,
uh, still going on, but was definitely
fading out into more boutique outdoors.
CrossFit.
So like your actual gym where you
would go and tons of people in the
classes like that type of thing in
orange county, anyway, it was feeding
out and becoming more small little,
um, cross states or Pilates or yoga.
So things were definitely
starting to change.
As far as that big group fitness come
in and have 30 people in your class.
That was definitely changing.
And when I took over my business, Um,
I had taken it over from somebody and
like, I'm like, okay, it's all outdoors.
I'm like, I'm not going
to be in the gym anymore.
I've been in the gym for 15 years and my
how's this going to be, you know, my group
fitness and I left and never looked back.
It's been, it's been great.
So things have definitely evolved
into more of the boutique or niche
kind of, um, uh, fitness centers.
There's not even fitness centers
really anymore, especially now.
Most of the data, a lot of the big
ones are gone for us or in little ones,
sadly, but, um, you know, going away
from your high impact and crazy cardio
to more sports conditioning, to more
sports specific, um, heavy lifting,
running, like it's definitely been
more kind of sports specific instead
of just like, let's go out, let's just
go and like be cardio for an hour.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
So instead of saying the little,
yeah, the little niches pop
up here and there of, yeah.
People.
Which is good.
Cause I guess, uh, it offers
more variety to people.
I think so.
Donna Houlihan: And it's definitely
more personal, more personal and
you know, you have competition, but
everybody offers something a little
different, cause we're all so different.
So like it's competition, but you, she
just not, it's not me and I'm not her.
So if it doesn't work, you
don't, I don't work for you.
She will kind of thing.
And also it's.
That's a good thing.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Unfortunately, everybody doesn't love me.
That's okay.
They can go and find
another place that they,
Kyle Wood: Yeah, it's such a good analogy.
I was writing one of Seth Godin's
blog posts this morning and he
was like, if you have a million
Twitter followers, you still that
means like 99.9% of Twitter users.
Following you on aware if you if
you ran that down, it really means
you have like 0% of Twitter photos.
Cause if you like 0.1 and he talks,
so he talks about like that you don't,
you don't need to have everyone.
Be a part of your bootcamp or like
your, you know, like your bootcamp, you
know, it doesn't, that doesn't matter.
It's just because it's so
there's so many people, right.
Donna Houlihan: And if you try to
have everyone, you'll never be happy
because you can't, you know, not
everybody's gonna like you, but you
know, if you can get your core group
to really understand what you're about
and how you work, they'll stay and
refer and build your business in that.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, that's good.
Cause I saw it on your website that
you started with, like, which I think
a lot of us can resonate with this
first session, four people per session.
Donna Houlihan: When I pick
up the business, all those
people just like disappeared.
Oh, you know, I guess, whatever, you
know, it wasn't the only, so then I was
like, all right, we'll just build back.
Let's just build and build.
And you know, it was, uh, it was hard,
but, um, here we are 10 years later.
Um, I haven't grown a hugely, but we've,
you know, we've, we're, we're managing,
we're still, I'm still in business.
That's the thing.
What is most so important to me is
that I have people with me for 10
years, eight years, seven years.
And it's such a tough.
Community.
And especially when you
fall into something like.
It was an amazing thing to
have and to stay together.
And then when you reunited and like
it, you really can't even explain it.
And we were just talking about
this because we were on our way
home from a awake of, one of our
members, son passed away and we
were on the way home from the wave.
And we were just saying, somebody was
saying to me, not to bring down the
house, but somebody was saying like, you
can't really understand unless you're.
What a strong community,
this is and what you felt.
And they were saying that to me, and
I'm not tooting my own horn, but that
was kind of what they were saying.
Like you, you know, you created
something really special and
that was what I'm most proud of.
You know, the workouts are amazing.
We're having great results.
We've run races.
If you do things, you have a blast.
But at the end of the day created
such a tight community where the
people know that we're there for them.
Not only me, but everybody we're
there for them and we have their
back and that in our 8:00 AM, because
most of the women are, people are
in my age group, say 40 to 65 even.
And you know, there's, there's college,
there's high school graduation, college
graduation, there's parents, sick parents.
There's that.
So there's so much more than when
you're in the younger ages and we're
all kind of going through it together.
And like somebody just got married.
Somebody just became a grandmother or
some, you know, some somebody passed away.
So like it's such a tight
knit community beyond.
Our bootcamp and our classes, which
is really special for me to be
able to be a part of the, a part
of that their lives in that way.
You know, it's, it's pretty,
it's pretty, pretty great.
I met some amazing people.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
That's such a good, you know, I
often think about like, you know,
what's, what's success mean to me?
Donna Houlihan: Like the grow or die.
You remember that question?
Right?
Right.
Always about that.
You know, sometimes the
success is really being there.
You know, when nobody else is for somebody
or just, you know, offering something
or make letting them know that they can
do something that they didn't think they
can, and that can portrays other go also
foreign to other areas of their lives.
Yeah.
That's success
Kyle Wood: to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
So during the last 18 months, when
we have, you know, classes, opening
and shutting, how were you keeping.
That community and that
connection happening.
Were you doing anything actively
or did it just kind of happen?
Donna Houlihan: No, I, well, I
was like from the moment, like we
were in the March 16th, they gave
us the notice we were shut down.
So I said, and I was
kind of preparing for it.
I said, all right, people, this
is common five through my first
5:30 AM class, the next day.
I was St.
Patrick's day.
I was in a green Tutu and
Shamrock socks, and I was on zoom.
I had no idea what I was doing
and what was going to happen.
I'm like 5:30 AM we're there.
And then from then on, it was almost
like, Nobody had a chance to be
like, nah, I'm not going to do no.
I was like, this is what we're doing.
Be there.
And it was like the next day, it
was like a party from, from my
6:00 AM to my 9:00 AM to my 6:30.
Of course it died down a little bit,
but like, it was like, we're doing this.
And I was like, God, no idea.
I'm like my computer was on like a
little fitball chair and I had no idea,
but we went, we just, I think me being.
Absolutely on the minute, not to be
anybody in opportunity that right,
we're doing this, we're doing this.
And most people, unless you didn't, they
didn't have the ability to be on zoom.
Most people did it and we were 85 days
on zoom and I would go into my studio.
I didn't do it from my studio.
As professional as I could.
And, you know, we had phone, we
did scavenger, Hans and bingo.
And like, I dressed up like a bunny
on Easter, you know, like you had, and
then they would be coming into zoom.
Like, what's the, how am I going to be
wearing what you're going to be doing?
So, you know, we really
tried to make it fun.
So.
And then we were able to
get outside to the park.
And then when we got to the park,
it was like this huge reunion.
Everybody was so excited to see
each other from, from 10 feet, but
we were able to back in the park.
So, yeah.
And then going back inside to the studio,
that was hard because we had to wear a
mask and, you know, there was such much
protocol and things we had to do, but
I went over and above and did videos
and I did constant updates every week.
It was just more.
Information information, information,
letting everybody know what
I'm doing, what's happening.
Why are we doing this?
Because every week it was changing as
you guys all know, I'm sure like, you
know, everything that we had to do.
And I just, I had a video of how we
were going to when we're coming in
the studio and how it's going to work.
So it was just constant information.
Every week I started an update
update of the week, which I
never did, like the next week.
And I'm still doing it today.
Every day, every week I do an update.
Whether, you know, it doesn't have to
be anything important, but just like
what's going on, what's happening.
Shout out to this person.
This class is going to
be changed every week.
I did an update and back in, back
in, in COVID you needed that because
people were just like what's happening.
So, um, you know, keeping them updated
on the CDC, keeping them updated on
what the health department says to me.
It was information.
Yeah.
Overload that worked, that
worked really doing surveys.
What people thought on, how they, how
were they thinking about coming in?
How are they comfortable?
And, you know, they were giving me their
feedback and that really, it was a lot
of work, but that's what I had to do.
So, you know, we came out of it pretty
hung on to pretty much everybody.
I think that was, um,
the part of it before.
And some people say they don't know
what they would have done if we didn't
keep this us together at that time.
Like it was something to look
forward to kind of like a normalcy.
Yeah, yeah.
Something that, you know, all
right, well, Donna show up at nine.
So I'm going to be there.
Who knows what else is going
to happen throughout the day?
We know we're going to get our bootcamp.
And also everybody communicated
on zoom, everybody communicated.
So you could see each other and laugh
and, you know, afterwards I'd hold it
open so that people could kind of catch.
If they needed to.
So it was, you know, we
did happy hour zooms.
We met at the park and, you know,
socially distance at the park.
So I just was just all about just keeping
everybody together and community and, um,
you know, we were able to get through it.
Kyle Wood: So the going back
to the update that you shared,
what it was that an email then?
That was a weekly email?
Donna Houlihan: Yeah.
It was just like a weekly email with
anything that I needed to tell them,
because that was the only way to get.
Cause some people are on Facebook, some
people aren't sometimes I see people zoom.
So that was the one way I'm like,
gosh, Your emails, that's where all
your information is going to be.
And that I don't even know how that
even came about, but that was really
one of the most important things
that I did throughout those, those,
however long we were shut down, keeping
Kyle Wood: that communication going.
Yeah.
Donna Houlihan: Information,
Kyle Wood: information.
It's a, you said you you've kept that up.
So what do you include in
those wouldn't you include now?
Yeah.
So
Donna Houlihan: now it's like, if, if, um,
somebody ran a race and it was, if it was
our first race or they placed, or somebody
did something super special during class.
So it was like, you know, a couple
of shout outs, something that we go
in and I'll get that we have going
on for the week, or if I'm going to
be away, who's covering anything.
Really.
Like if we have a race, I'm updating
information on things that are coming
up, or like, I, sometimes we do a
group hike, you know, anything that's.
Like what you think what's right now stop.
Or it could be just a few little
things, that's it for this, you know, it
doesn't have to be full of information.
It's just, whatever's coming up
information that they need to know.
And like, and they'll be like, what?
Like, did you check your
update for the week?
Make sure you read your update.
It's all in there.
So that's, that to me was the easiest
way to get all the information to.
Kyle Wood: That's so good.
And I love that you include an
updates on what clients are up to
as well, because that create, yeah.
That creates.
The feeling of just
knowing each other better,
Donna Houlihan: especially because having
some, I don't have that many new people,
but having new people, it's a great way
to kind of let them feel like, oh wow.
She gave me a shout out them.
You know, if my first staff K I'm part of
the community, you know, man, I made it.
It's totally genuine.
Like it's totally not, it's not,
it's just something that I do.
It's totally genuine.
Cause I am proud of them, but it's also
helps them also feel like a part of.
Kyle Wood: So, do you put aside some time,
each week to do, to put that together?
Or is it just sort of when you can get it?
Donna Houlihan: Well, I try to do by,
I try to do it by Tuesday, the latest,
um, you know, I ultimately want it to
be Monday, but I try to do it by Tuesday
so that whatever's coming up, you know?
So it's a wrap up maybe from
the week, the weekend or.
Um, what's coming up, so I
try not to wait past Tuesday.
Kyle Wood: Yep.
And so do you have a bit of a system that
you follow for getting them out or no.
Donna Houlihan: We talked about
if we planned our workouts, right.
My future self would be so
proud of me, but do I have.
No.
I just think about what's coming up and
sometimes I'll leave what was in the
week before, you know, to reiterate.
And so I just, by Monday
or Tuesday, I do an update.
There's no real system to it.
Kyle Wood: That's all, I'm being honest.
I've been doing it
Donna Houlihan: since March, 2019.
And I think I missed one week that I
didn't do a, I didn't do an update.
So.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you've, you've SKUs, like for
some evil, evil mastermind, but yeah,
you've, you've in a way, conditioned
them to check for that email.
And that's such a powerful
thing because attention is so.
Rare these days, like having people's
attention, say Brianna, create ways to
keep people's attention is, is yeah.
Donna Houlihan: Awesome.
Yeah.
And if they ask me a question that
was in the email, I'm like, you
didn't read your email, did you,
so they'll never forget
to read their email again.
Kyle Wood: So you going back to.
The, when you took over the bootcamp
11 years ago, you had, you know, just a
few people in the class have any clients
per week, sort of, even the pivot you
to say once a week, how many clients
a week do you think you'd see now with
Donna Houlihan: I have now
I have about 50 active.
Yeah.
So in, you know, I have whether
they come once or twice or unlimited
there's about right now, which is a
little bit lower than normal, but I've
never really been more than 60 I've.
I've never really broken that.
Yeah.
But, um, you know, the leaky cup
darn leaky cup, but so I'm right
now we're having a solid 60.
Yeah.
And that's where we've, we're
anywhere between 50 and 60.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
So to explain the Lakey cup, to people who
are listening, who haven't heard of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You could explain it to see what, yeah.
Donna Houlihan: I have a cup and
people, you know, you're pouring into
your cup and those are your members.
And you're trying to retain as many
of the camps that, that cup leaks
and some of those will sneak out.
So as you're gaining, you're also losing.
And that was the thing through COVID.
You absolutely lost a few.
I did gain a few, but
it's just your kind of.
You constantly in and out really.
I mean, we retain those
50 of those people.
I'm going to say the majority have been
with me at least three years and above.
Yeah.
So that's a pretty solid community.
And it's funny because you know, sometimes
I don't want to grow it I'm like through,
through COVID it was like, do we want it,
do we, how I would, this is one thing I
would ask them, which they appreciate it.
How comfortable are you bringing
it with me bringing in new people?
Because it was such a, such a tough.
Situation.
So for a while, I didn't want any
new people, cause everybody just
wanted to be with, you know, they
don't want outsiders in a way.
Sounds, sounds weird.
But in school, that, that was
what they were comfortable with.
And then as things change and I'm
like, all right, are we ready?
We're ready.
Bring your friends.
But, um, you know, we've kind of just
hovered around 50 to 60 over the years.
Kyle Wood: That makes sense, because
you you'd created this safe space.
And as you said before,
it was people talk.
Usually your clients talked about
how, you know, it helped them get
through such a difficult period.
So I think that absolutely makes
sense that you would be where you're
bringing in extra people to that.
Donna Houlihan: Yeah, I had, you had to
be really mindful of how people felt.
Cause it was, you know, we're
in New York, it was crazy here.
So I had to be very careful and.
You know, but now, now anybody who wants
to come, they can come for business.
Kyle Wood: Good.
I'm very excited.
And I'm excited for that to
Australia, not to be too far
away for the trainers over here.
Donna Houlihan: Um, yeah.
Well, right now I'm right
outside of New York.
So I'm, we're a little bit more in a
better position than New York city,
but still, you know, pretty shut down.
Kyle Wood: Alright.
Are you ready for our
rapid fire questions?
Awesome.
Thank you.
Okay.
So, and we might've covered part of it
as well, and I've got your answers here.
And so if you forget, just let me
know and I'll tell you what you saw.
So, first question was, what are the
top three things you do each week that
you found help your business grow?
Donna Houlihan: Well, like we were saying,
it's more about making sure each one
of my clients have a great experience.
I mean, you're not going to blow
their doors away every single class,
but everybody has a good experience.
A great experience knows that they
matter touch base with everybody.
Um, shout outs, whatever, just make
sure that my people know that they're
number one, their first that's my
main thing, because they're going
to post, they're going to tag.
They're going to refer from that.
You know, if we're running in the
circle, I'll always going to be running
from person, checking in, running from
person to person, just checking in.
If somebody is not showing up,
making sure that they know that
they're, they're my priority.
That's my number one thing.
Um, number two, I do email my, my,
um, My email group, at least once or
twice a week, like with, with what
I hope is helpful content and, um,
interesting things and throwing out
call to actions or things to, you
know, free trials or whatever, or maybe
a five day challenge or something.
And I do that as well in my, I have
a, um, community Facebook, uh, OCNY
fitness community, which is just.
Facebook group.
I have a separate one for my private
members, but a free space group
where I try to have an interest and
information and, you know, recipes,
workouts, funny videos or whatever.
So those, those are the three things that
I do mostly to try to market and create.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah.
Donna Houlihan: I'm not very good at it.
Kyle Wood: But that is the
right, the right thing.
I'll share with you, I was listening
to another podcast the other day
with an author, John Jantsch and
he writes a lot about word of
mouth and like referral marketing.
And he's got a book, I think it's
called something like the referral in.
And he was talking about a lot of his
one and two star reviews on Amazon
will be people who are like, I read,
you know, I read half this book
and he hasn't mentioned anything.
Referrals yet, because the first half
of the book is all about creating
an awesome product, like create
something that people want to share.
So I think if you're investing time
in community in making sure your, your
workouts have things that people want to
talk about, that they look forward to.
Like they have FOMO
fear of missing out.
Oh, we missed the pumpkin's day.
October.
We do pumpkin workouts, pumping
people like, oh, I missed the pumpkin
to like, having them want to come.
And they're like, who?
I want to never thought
I would miss working out.
Like, you know, I've always
wanted to get away from it now.
I'm like, sorry I missed it.
So that's kind of.
Yep.
I tried a pumpkin workout in October
here, which is not the season for
pumpkin's cause our seasons are opposite.
And yeah, someone did manage to
bring one, but otherwise we would
just use medicine balls and pretend.
Donna Houlihan: And I brought
a scale out and everybody had
a waiter pumpkin and market.
So we know how much.
It's like a tradition now
for so many maybe things
Kyle Wood: like bringing a scale.
Yeah.
That's a good,
Donna Houlihan: yeah.
And it's, we've been doing
it for so many years.
It's kind of like, if you didn't do
the pumpkin's, it would be weird.
Kyle Wood: So next question
is a bit about you.
So when you work out yourself, what is
your favorite song or band to work out to?
Donna Houlihan: I don't
use music when I work out.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, me neither..
Donna Houlihan: I'm like, take it out.
Cause when you're doing classes,
you've got to worry about people.
You've got to worry about music.
Nope.
I work out.
I just silence.
Weirdly enough.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
That's that'd be what, but
then we could spin classes.
You mentioned.
Donna Houlihan: Well, because it's
so music driven, we're all about like
Lady Gaga and Queen and Pink and you
know, all that, all that cool stuff.
And that is really, you have to
have your music has to be good in
order to have a good spin class.
You can't, you can't have some shitty
music and turn it into a good spin class.
So we liked.
Um, I mean, I actually, anything Flogging
Molly, we liked these Irish music.
I mean, pretty much anything.
I don't have a specific kind of music,
but they, their favorite playlist is
Lady Gaga versus Queen and that's one
of my favorite playlist to ride to.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yes.
Put together.
Donna Houlihan: Yeah.
So we do, I would do like mashups,
like Elton John and ACDC are like
ones that you wouldn't think would go.
So this became Lady Gaga and
Queen, and then it became a hit and
everybody's like, oh, can we do it?
Cause we did it on Zoom.
Um, I've video recorded during
Zoom or my spin classes.
Cause it was too hard
to figure out the music.
So that was the most and
we do it in-person now too.
So it was, they would
watch me and do it alone.
Now we do it in person.
Kyle Wood: That's awesome.
Donna Houlihan: So that's
the kind of music they love.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
But yeah, I like that.
It seems like something
new and something old.
Yeah.
Okay.
The third question is where
would you like to head next with
your business or in your career?
What's on the horizon for you?
Donna Houlihan: Somewhere tropical.
Yeah, like I said, I'm like.
I'm doing this for so long.
And, and it's kinda like, I don't see
myself really doing much different,
except like I just got recently
certified as a running coach, a long-term
uh, long distance running coach.
So I started a running running
group became once COVID, cause we
couldn't meet forest in classes.
So like let's start a morning
group and they haven't, we haven't
stopped it for winter everything.
So, um, I've decided to
get certified in that.
And I enjoy that and I enjoy
watching people like really.
Get better and stronger, and
it's a different, it's totally
different from bootcamp.
And so, uh, you know, I'm a long,
long distance certified long
distance coach running coach.
So I would like to start
training people to run marathons.
Their first one.
It would be so exciting myself.
I haven't done a marathon.
I've done a lot of things
that I haven't done.
So that's probably where it's going
to start moving towards more of
the coaching, the running coach.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cool.
So this new found hobby through COVID.
Donna Houlihan: Cause I
run a lot, so I enjoy that.
And our running group
has come very successful.
Weirdly enough.
We just don't mean like, let's just
do instead of spinning, since we can't
spin we don't even spin on Sundays.
We used to spin on Saturday.
We don't even do it.
We just run.
Kyle Wood: That's cool.
Yeah.
And then, uh, yeah, first marathon.
So like New York marathon,
that would be one you'd have
to qualify for I'm guessing.
Donna Houlihan: Yes.
Or raise money or get in the lottery.
There's plenty of other marathons
you could do, but then, I mean,
you're going to be exciting.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
It'd be pretty, pretty unique.
I can imagine.
Yeah.
Awesome.
All right, Donna.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Donna Houlihan: Oh, it went so fast.
Kyle Wood: I know It's
telling you at the start.
Like we could do three hours.
Absolutely.
I'm thinking about doing so the
extra ones for like a bit of a behind
scenes type podcasts or something
like that, but yeah, we'll see.
We'll see how we go.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
